S08 E06: Never Waste a Good Crisis
Harris III rejoins Michael to explore Selena Garefino's transformative insights about how our bodies store and process the stories of our lives, and why traditional approaches to healing often fall short. They dive deep into the intersection of story and body, exploring how the body functions as the unconscious mind, processing millions of bits of data while our conscious awareness handles a limited amount. The conversation weaves through powerful examples of experiential work, from toxic team dynamics shifting through play, or retreat participants reconnecting with childhood purpose through embodied timeline exercises. In this episode, they discuss:
- The body as unconscious mind, and understanding how our nervous system processes information beyond conscious awareness
- Why traditional talk therapy has limitations for trauma and transformation
- How challenges become wisdom when we don't avoid the learning
Coming Up Soon
- Lisa Cron, author of "Wired for Story"
- Experiential Narrative Practice Certification: June 20-22 (October training options available)
- STORY 2025 Conference (Use code PODCAST100 for $100 off!) - October 9 and 10, 2025
Resources Mentioned
- Special Offer: Podcast listeners get $100 off STORY 2025 with code PODCAST100
- Applied Narrative Intelligence Certification: Currently in second cohort
- Becoming Restored: 12-week experiential program for narrative reconciliation
- Istoria Website
Creators and Guests

Host
Michael McRay
Head of Istoria Institute for Narrative Intelligence. Sought-after experiential coach and facilitator. Award-winning author. Keynote speaker.
